“Something from Nothing” — The Dialogue Ep. 29

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If the Big Bang is the natural beginning of the universe, what came before the Big Bang, and how does it inform our thinking—whether believer, or atheist—about the origin of all creation?

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  1. Hey Guys! Good show today!  I have to hand it to you Cal on this one. Fantastic insight on a lot of the nonsense some cosmologists (ala Lawrence Krauss will try to pull lol). Scientists like Krauss are being incredibly disingenuous when they say “the universe created itself from nothing” because when they say “nothing” they don’t actually mean NO-THING! lol. Krauss and the like want to define “nothing” as a “quantum vacuum with space, energy, and time” from which the universe sprung up. That’s at least 3 things!!!!1. There’s a great priest by the name of Fr. Robert Spitzer who has a series on youtube that you can find called “The Heavens proclaim the Glory of God.” It’s actually very technical and scientific (despite the title lol). Fr. Spitzer has a physics degree I believe and you can tell he really knows his stuff. He goes into all various models for the universe and explains why you need an absolute beginning in the finite past for each of them. Even the multi-verse doesn’t get out of that as he masterfully explains. And by the way, I think that the “multi-verse” is entirely unscientific because we cannot observe or test other universes. Thoughts? Thanks!

    Matthew

  2. Have you ever seen a cgi representation video of the big bang most if not all start with a black background, so what’s the black stuff.

  3. Was it God or Billy Ocean that said, “Nothin’ from nothin’ leaves nothin’.  You got to have somethin’, if you wanna to be with me.”  🙂

  4. Cal, you’re focusing on the wrong end.  It’s not about the beginning of the universe.  It’s about the end of your life.  The four last things, death, judgement, Heaven, or Hell.

  5. The Gruntled Monk LOL. I think that was Billy Preston though.  However, having determined according to Preston that nothing from nothing leaves nothing the next question to contemplate is then Will it go round in circles?

  6. Vikarmstrong The Gruntled Monk I’ve always loved that song. A real toe tapper.  Will it go around in circles?  That’s a question I’ve asked myself many times about the thoughts of atheists and protestants.  I love Cal, but sometimes his thinking just collapses under the weight of itself.  At times it’s an Olympic quality performance of mental gymnastics.  His thinking on free will, or the lack of it, is one example.

  7. The Gruntled Monk Vikarmstrong Will It Go Round In Circles is also another one of Billy Preston’s songs. When you get to know me you will find that I like to be playful with song titles and lyrics. But although I was being playful I was saying what you thought I was saying about the way people think sometimes. 😉

  8. The Gruntled Monk But here is the song reference that truly comes to my mind after talking with some atheists. It is called the Windmills of My Mind from 1968
    Like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel
    Never ending or beginning on an ever-spinning reel
    As the images unwind
    Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind

    There are several versions on youtube. Even the instrumental evokes the feeling.

    Sorry Cal. Just having some fun. But…in all honesty I usually have the urge to listen to that song after some discussions with atheists. Several versions and the instrumental. But then that is jus fun for me. LOL

  9. Vikarmstrong The Gruntled Monk I didn’t remember Will it Go Around in Circles.  I do remember Windmills of My Mind.  I’m an old hippy, so maybe all the botanical additives have had an effect. 🙂  I just got done watching an old BBC production of Othello with Anthony Hopkins and Bob Hoskins.  I checked my email and there were 9 emails.  Most from atheists and protestants on YouTube.  It’s nice getting emails from Catholics once in a while.  I can read them without having to strap on my armor.  🙂  But now, “Once more into the breach dear friends, once more. Or we will close the with out English dead!”  Henry V

  10. I was listening to this live, and I must have been only half listening because I really couldn’t follow the discussion.  However, having just listened to it, again, it was excellent as usual.  Not on topic but on the entertaining aspect of the show, it doesn’t get much better than when Tim starts supposing…it is like he baits, he casts, he yanks, and so close to “fish on!”… when Cal inserts, “I knew you were going to go there–I was just waitin'”and this completely mischievous smile comes across Tim’s face and the “you thought you had me” smile upon Cal’s.  You are great together.  Thanks for doing these and know you are in my daily prayers.

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